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Post by popee on Nov 20, 2011 15:30:09 GMT
tathagata wrote this on another board which resonated with me: I'm in the third category
There are basically three kinds of "seekers" out there in the world today.
1. Those that are looking at their minds to learn how to use it as a tool to create an environment of wealth love and abundance for themselves. These are all "The Secret" and "Law of Attraction" people.
2. Spiritual seekers that are looking at their minds to uncover bliss, nirvana, happiness, and a feeling of oneness (which is really just a desire to escape their loneliness and be happier).
3. Those that are looking inward for ultimate truth, ultimate self realization, ultimate enlightenment, and that want to get at it at any cost...happiness...bliss...etc...are all secondary to this seeker...they want truth, or enlightenment much like a scientist wants truth, they want to get to the root of things, the only difference is that they are looking inward for that truth.
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Post by popee on Nov 20, 2011 15:39:51 GMT
Enlightenment has been described as seeing the secondary image in a sterogram. It's right there, you're looking at, but your angle of perception is just slightly skewed so that you can't see the secondary image. But once you see it, its obvious, and you can't not see it ever again. Can you see the face in the bricks?
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Post by popee on Nov 20, 2011 15:47:30 GMT
ps - I can't see it either
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 20, 2011 17:06:03 GMT
Category 3 also, happiness, bliss, joy are all by products of seeking ultimate truth.
Is there a face in the bricks, where is the "you" in the mirror? Only within the flesh encapsulated vessel does it hide, for the real me is inside. hehe Look outside and see the lie listen within and hear the truth for the truth speaks in silence.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 20, 2011 17:14:15 GMT
ps - I can't see it either ... me neither. Maybe we are not looking skew enough?
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 20, 2011 17:20:16 GMT
re 1, 2, and 3 I plead not guilty on all counts. Why should I seek anything? To find, maybe we need to seek not. Might even be better to find nothing.
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Post by popee on Nov 20, 2011 19:43:45 GMT
re 1, 2, and 3 I plead not guilty on all counts. Why should I seek anything? To find, maybe we need to seek not. Might even be better to find nothing. Can not disagree on any point. There is nothing to seek, nothing to find. Yet ... some of us seek annihilation, as strange as that sounds. and no good reason to explain it.
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Post by tathagata on Nov 21, 2011 1:46:34 GMT
It's a silhouette... Face is looking toward the left...Pull your vision Inward instead of letting the energy go outward searching hehehe
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Post by tathagata on Nov 21, 2011 1:56:35 GMT
Three types of spiritual "seeker", generally speaking...but there are as many kinds of finders as there are methods to I accurately describe what is found lol...everyone finds the same thing, but it gets communicated in infinate variations and styles..the expression of the dharma is limitless.
Those seeking annihilation are kinda a subcategory of #2 perhaps ...seekers of an end of loneliness or suffering.
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Post by popee on Nov 21, 2011 18:11:17 GMT
Those seeking annihilation are kinda a subcategory of #2 perhaps ...seekers of an end of loneliness or suffering. not looking to disagree, argue, or make it about me but I never ever get lonely, or even bored and I rarely dwell on momentary suffering longer than a minute or so seeking "annihilation" of anything not my true nature seeking to understand that anyway ======== completely irrelevant
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Post by tathagata on Nov 21, 2011 23:03:50 GMT
Seeking annihilation of anything not your true nature is different than seeking annihilation in general lol...you are defiantly in the third group popee ;-)
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Post by tathagata on Nov 21, 2011 23:07:31 GMT
Not sure annihilation of anything not your true nature is Gunna be an affective means though... You might end up spending a few lifetimes playing wackamole lol
Best just to sit quietly and observe the observer, and accept, forgive, and release everything else as it comes and goes...
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Post by tathagata on Nov 21, 2011 23:13:49 GMT
What are you willing to give up to find the truth? Are you willing to give up the seeker of truth knowing that doing so will mean there may be no one there to appreciate the truth?
That's the problem, in order to get to the truth, you have to give up the seeker, you have to surrender him away and give up utterly, at which time you will also be giving up any benefit you hoped to achieve from the truth, because there may be no one there to enjoy the benefit... So it is actually all a a fruitless endeavor that can only be satisfied by giving up on it, and everything else hehehe...
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 21, 2011 23:34:55 GMT
So Tat, are you saying to simply surrender to life, accept you , the world and everything in it for the way it is? Live all your days the best you can and have no fear of anything for fear is only a thought within the mind anyway.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 22, 2011 5:13:48 GMT
My pennyworth at this point: Yes, accept everything the way it is. But that also means accept any impulse in you to change that perfect world to something else. The world can't stay as it is. That's impossible. It's going to change every moment, so there's no reason why you shouldn't actively participate in that change. Acceptance does Not imply inactivity. I'm very active in getting out of bed every morning. But I try to do it the right way. I may not feel like getting up, so I don't. Then later the thought comes to mind that I want to get up. I resist that thought, it's not yet time to get up. I put it out of my mind. I prefer not to act from mind. All of a sudden, with no mind, maybe thinking about nothing, my body just jumps out of bed automatically. Then I know the moment was exactly right.
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