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Post by popee on Aug 19, 2012 11:26:13 GMT
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 19, 2012 13:11:26 GMT
 nice simple, exactly how I feel, most of the time, but that's just me..... resisting, hanging on, bouncing between nothing, something and nothing. I climb down the pendulum and get moved to and fro, slide back up every time I let go, rest at the top, just watching the show, someday I'll reside here, but now I must flow. Back into the game, I take on a disguise, able to cuss, drink and tell many lies, experience many lows and many highs until that time when this body dies. Then again, a new scene will start, on the stage I'm cast, playing perfectly the part Father, Husband, Brother and Son, though deep inside not any-one. Little while longer this drama will last, back to serenity, no future no past, reside once again at the top of this ride, rip of this costume, stand naked outside, withinsilence screaming; "awaken and see" its all an illusion for between you and me, is perfection, wholeness, even life for free, stop thinking for once, realized pure glee.
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Post by popee on Aug 19, 2012 15:35:35 GMT
nice ws
yep ... to and fro, in and out, back and forth, world-no-world, mind-no-mind
it can be a little disconcerting at times, ... but not really
its all good
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Post by popee on Aug 19, 2012 18:17:51 GMT
So what exactly is your understanding of life, of the way of life?
I don't know what life is.
What is your spiritual view?
I don't have a spiritual view.
What is truth or is there any or is that all there is?
I don't know what truth is. I assume This is all there is, but I don't know what that means.
If we see someone suffering do we say nothing or something or does it matter as we are all nothing anyway or are we something?
I prefer not to get involved in the suffering of others. Sometimes I'll say something which some might call a 'pointer', but you can't do the work of another, and there is not much point in getting all worked up inside, regardless of which way they go.
Besides, who am I to say, anyway? I don't know anything, and for me to think otherwise is just some personal pompous bullshit.
Is life fair or unfair or neutral or is there in reality no reality?
I suspect that whatever life is, it is perfectly unbiased and fair.
Do we love only our family or everyone, or only our self or no one?
I don't love my family any more or any less than anyone else. But "love" is a word with a very difficult definition. I prefer to think of it as synonymous with "acceptance".
Can we change our self or not, or is there no self, what animates the form?
With serious 'spiritual work' it appears as if we change, but I think of that change more as a "falling away", not as if anything is gained. Little by little, bit by bit, 'falsity' drops, because it was never real to begin with, only imagined.
Are there any correct answers to these question, do they even matter, or is life solely based on personal belief?
I think "personal belief" is false, and must eventually be dropped. All of it.
As far as I can tell, no-thought is the only cure for insanity.
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 19, 2012 18:41:45 GMT
Nice response
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 19, 2012 19:37:11 GMT
If we see someone suffering do we say nothing or something or does it matter as we are all nothing anyway or are we something?
I prefer not to get involved in the suffering of others. Sometimes I'll say something which some might call a 'pointer', but you can't do the work of another, and there is not much point in getting all worked up inside, regardless of which way they go.
Besides, who am I to say, anyway? I don't know anything, and for me to think otherwise is just some personal pompous bullshit.
Do you know suffering?
See not, I the self, as nothing, but as no thing, thus what am I not? How can't I help? What err could I have in being love?
As no thing, every thing is I AM and I AM is every thing, thus as I is no thing I AM is every thing, hence I AM serving another thus I AM helping the self as giving is receiving.
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Post by popee on Aug 19, 2012 19:55:21 GMT
Do you know suffering? Yes, if I stub my toe, my body whines for a bit. If my wife goes off on some insane tangent, and drags me into it, my mind becomes flustered. Focusing my attention on my whiny body, or on my flustered mind ... and perceiving those instances to be dis-satisfactory ... causes momentary suffering. But when I revert back to no mind, the throbbing may still be there, but it is just allowed to be as it is ... sans the commentary. === that second part is beyond my translation skills 
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 19, 2012 23:18:17 GMT
See not, I the self, as nothing, but as no thing, thus what am I not? How can't I help? What err could I have in being love?
As no thing, every thing is I AM and I AM is every thing, thus as I is no thing I AM is every thing, hence I AM serving another thus I AM helping the self as giving is receiving.
Simply, if no thing are we, if The ALL is ALL and ALL is The ALL, then what can we not be, what limits do we have (not physically speaking), who can't we help, what can't we know, etc.
Thus I see not (I=inner being) the self (being in form=me) as nothing (I AM not nothing as in non existent) but as every thing (every one , thing, no thing=ALL hence thing includes both no-thing and every-thing and in-between) so what limits does I AM have? If I as me help someone I AM is helping ALL as ALL is The ALL and The ALL is ALL.
It does take a little SLOW reading to get it and I may not have written as you see it but as I see it so in simplest terms: Don't get caught in the trap of repressing life, or experience's trying to be nothing or no thing, you know like no thinking, no participating, no helping, no giving, no serving, no nothing. Just be natural, live as if everyone is you and you are everyone. You're here now, you may know there is no you, but you can't deny that there is some thing reading this. Let the dead be dead, go and live YOU-R life as you -r it...now!
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Post by popee on Aug 20, 2012 12:44:30 GMT
Simply, if no thing are we, if The ALL is ALL and ALL is The ALL, then what can we not be, what limits do we have (not physically speaking), who can't we help, what can't we know, etc. Thus I see not ( I=inner being) the self (being in form= me) as nothing (I AM not nothing as in non existent) but as every thing (every one , thing, no thing=ALL hence thing includes both no-thing and every-thing and in-between) so what limits does I AM have? If I as me help someone I AM is helping ALL as ALL is The ALL and The ALL is ALL. It sounds like you "want your cake and eat it to" who takes the credit? who takes the blame? who helps? who needs help? As selfishness abates ... the answer reveals its self Speaking as the character typing these words .... I do not live in a cave. I am not cut off from society. I will help anyone in front of me that needs help. If someone needs help moving a sofa, I'll bend over and grab one end. If someone is flustered, I'll give them a smile, and a gentle ear to speak in to. But generally, I am not inclined to help them perpetuate whatever insanity play they might be clinging to at that moment. Nor am I usually inclined to point out that their mental dramas are not real. You seem to think that "no-thought" means becoming .. detached .. ambivalent .. secluded ... etc. It does, and it doesn't. Be careful with assumptions ... they are almost always incorrect. |
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 20, 2012 14:23:04 GMT
who takes the credit? who takes the blame?
who helps? who needs help?
As selfishness abates ... the answer reveals its self
why are you assuming someone is taking credit?
why are you assuming someone is taking blame?
why are you assuming that to care for or serve what is in truth ALL is selfish?
I see it as just being natural, to give of your being.
I liken it to poison apples. If I told you not that the apples you were eating were poisonous and causing your sickness, yet I knew why you were suffering, that it was in fact your thoughts (the poison apples represent thoughts) then I may be perpetuating your sickness by denying or repressing or not trusting existence to work through its own vehicle for change. Now, if I reach out my hand to guide you out of a hole and you deny it, then whose fault is this for your continued dillema? Thus, I simply AM that I AM and if you are guided great, if not great, it changes not I but I still AM that I AM.
Did not the ancient masters give discourses, write books, lecture and do all they could to help change the consciousness of humanity? Have you not read anything that has helped you? Were they fools, wasting their efforts, or did they trust existence to work through them, as they were not doing it for an ego boost or approval but because that is in fact who they truly were?
I am not saying everyone need do this or take this path, or that one is to "go looking" for a sick apple eater, but I do see that if one has come upon insight, understanding, or has come to know thyself that to not share it is the definition of selfishness.
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Post by popee on Aug 20, 2012 15:38:38 GMT
why are you assuming I was referring to you with those words? == I do like how you try and turn my words against me .. its kinda cute. == I don't care if want to point, or teach, or slap a rotten apple out of someone's hand. If that's what you feel called to do, then by all means, follow your heart. |
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 20, 2012 16:14:00 GMT
It wasn't an assumption, when you post what I wrote and then follow it with this:
It sounds like you "want your cake and eat it to"....who else is this referring to?
I do like how you try and turn my words against me .. its kinda cute.
I do nothing with words, they speak for themselves, a reflection is all I am, it is neither cute or ugly it just is what it is.
That is my whole point, to follow your heart.
Is that what your doing?
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Post by popee on Aug 20, 2012 18:51:49 GMT
ok, my bad. I drift in and out of speaking in generalities, or speaking directly to another. plus, I often forget that people take things personally www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzPBUGUM7KQlol === my heart is fine, thanks for asking |
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 20, 2012 20:19:51 GMT
Love the video, too funny, exactly perfect for our conversations lately. Thank you for being you!
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Post by gurthbruins on Aug 22, 2012 8:18:54 GMT
Ha ha, interesting stuff.
Occultists say the intellect represents a higher plane than the emotions - head is above heart. I think I share this bias.
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nice
