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Post by popee on Jul 6, 2012 13:23:29 GMT
Buddha's admonishment, "what you think, you become" should be clear enough. But to merely attempt to manipulate thoughts in some vain effort to "be happier", misses the boat imo.
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Post by withinsilence on Jul 6, 2012 13:53:16 GMT
Correct, one needs to understand thyself, not deny thought but to see its point of origination. hence being the silent observer of oneself, inquire within, ask yourself if what you believe to be true is factual, 100% absolute true, did you experience the experience your thinking about for yourself? Do you understand that the content of past thoughts are nothing but dead memories and not real or really happening? Do you understand that all future thinking is a projection of mind and not reality but possibility, potentiality? Its amazing how little we in fact know the truth of and also how little in fact we can actually know the truth of and this is where beliefs come in, which is where we get ourselves in trouble believing our beliefs to be the truth when in fact they are not, that is why they're called beliefs as beliefs is the acceptance of something you don't know or haven't experienced for yourself, thus you don't know it?
know thyself, not believe you know you, know you know you, be the master of the house. Not ego master, which is ignorance which is belief but know you don't know what you yourself have not experienced. Do you know why you say and do what your saying and doing or do you go through life like a parrot repeating all that you hear, or read without questioning it all for absolute truth? This is not to create doubt which it will for awhile, but to become the master of yourself as the only person who can ever deceive you is YOU, not anyone else as you choose to accept what they said, you chose to believe what your told as truth, you didn't inquire into its truth, and usually its because your looking for approval or acceptance thus when someone gives you what you want to hear, you believe them as though its true because it makes you feel good and that is what you are seeking.
Simply accept yourself and stop seeking it, listen to what people say, what they talk about, listen to it, inquire into it and you will see/hear how much useless rhetoric goes on in the world, just parrots repeating the same things without even knowing if its true, what its about, letting it affect how they feel as though its true yet never knowing if it truly is. Try it, you'll be surprised.
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Post by withinsilence on Jul 7, 2012 13:31:11 GMT
All this spirituality talk, all this talk about psychology, enlightenment, meditation, being, nonbeing, the witness, the silent observer, reincarnation, death, heaven, hell, all of it, what is it all really about? Really, what is it all pointing towards? What is the purpose of life? Does life have in fact A or one singular purpose? Ever stop and notice how life creates no duplicates? Even identical twins and not truly absolutely identical. Every creation is unique, every blade of grass is a little different somehow, every tree, every bird, every bee. They may even look the same under the microscope but maybe they don't fly the same, maybe they don't think the same thoughts, somehow everything on this planet is its own individual unique creation of the divine. It is the divine expressed in whatever form it so chooses. What's one to do, say its not supposed to be this way? What nonsense, just enjoy who you are, let go of all those thoughts you think that say your supposed to be this or that or those that others tell you you're supposed to be. Just be who you know you are. Whatever makes you joyful, whatever makes you dance, sing, whatsoever it may be. Whose to say your wrong but those who are jealous of your individuality? Can anyone know you better than you? Who is looking inside you, at all your thoughts but you? Who knows if your living a lie but you? Who knows if you're just saying and doing things to fit in, to get accepted, to please others but you?
Just as no one knows you neither do you truly know anyone else. You may have an idea from what they say and do, but how do you know they are not trying to fit in with you? How do you know what is truly going on behind the masks they wear? Are you wearing a mask when someone of importance enters the room? Do you change who you are to please this person or that? Do you hide behind a false face so no one can see the real you you're afraid no one will accept? What nonsense! If someone won't except you as you then are they them self true? How could they be? Is there not enough actors, imposter's, imitators and copycats in this world?
So, all this talk about what I mentioned above, its to take you out of your masks, to remove them once and for all, to know that you are, that everything is a perfect creation just as it is. There is no need to hide what the universe fashioned into existence. Existence cares not what you do, it was here long before you and will be here long after you. Existence created you to enjoy its gift of life. To express yourself howsoever you naturally are, how it created you. There is nothing to fear but not being who you truly have always been, for when you don't live as that you are always hiding behind masks, in fear of non acceptance, insecure and in need of approval. We are not to be needy beggars, greedy for heaven, wasting our lives trying to get what is in fact our birth right. You can't find that which is already in your pocket because you believe its to be found outside of you. Existence is you and you are it, how can this not be? Simply enjoy life, remember just how small you are in this vast universe and take not yourself too seriously. Its when we get caught up in our self, taking life too serious that we begin to suffer. Life is purposelessness, without this it would be limited and it has no limits but those you impose on yourself.
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Post by popee on Jul 7, 2012 15:20:06 GMT
Not sure how much "individuality" there is really. We are all just another cog in the evolutionary wheel, and our DNA has mostly predetermined our condition. Its all about survival of the species, and life (in whatever form) will continue as long as the conditions permit.
But as each person comes along, with their unique set of needs and wants, and their narrow perspective, and they mostly remain trapped in that 'small picture' way of thinking.
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Post by withinsilence on Jul 7, 2012 16:19:32 GMT
Not sure how much "individuality" there is really. We are all just another cog in the evolutionary wheel, and our DNA has mostly predetermined our condition. Its all about survival of the species, and life (in whatever form) will continue as long as the conditions permit. But as each person comes along, with their unique set of needs and wants, and their narrow perspective, and they mostly remain trapped in that 'small picture' way of thinking. Exactly the point of individuality. If this is what you believe to be true, great, then this is your reality as your beliefs set your limits. But it will not and cannot be every-ones reality. If you believe that our DNA has mostly predetermined our condition then that is what you accept as truth, great. I don't know nor do I care as who created DNA to know exactly its limits, intended purpose or if it even has any? Like science hasn't been wrong or jumped to a conclusion that was only half true before! I don't know that's its all about survival of the species nor how long whatever condition is permitting it will continue too. Who cares? I'm here now in this form and life is good, a little hot for my liking but what can I do about it, tell the sun to stop doing its job? Tell man to stop using fossil fuels? Hahahaha right! It was Gurth who said; "there is so much I don't need to know" and he is so right. Who cares about all these useless details of life when you can just live it?
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Post by withinsilence on Jul 14, 2012 16:37:37 GMT
Not sure how much "individuality" there is really. We are all just another cog in the evolutionary wheel, and our DNA has mostly predetermined our condition. Its all about survival of the species, and life (in whatever form) will continue as long as the conditions permit. But as each person comes along, with their unique set of needs and wants, and their narrow perspective, and they mostly remain trapped in that 'small picture' way of thinking. Popee, this statement; "DNA has mostly predetermined our condition." is a false belief of science, of man, one in fact that has been proved wrong. This is the power of our ability to believe, as it (you-we) limit our chance of discovery which leads to truth or knowing. Did not Hitler and those who supported him "believe" they were doing the right thing? Hence the power of the deceiving mind! The crusades and the Inquisition were no different, all consciousness in an unaware state or in slumber, unconscious consciousness which results in ignorance. Look at the statement you wrote after that one; " But as each person comes along, with their unique set of needs and wants, and their narrow perspective, and they mostly remain trapped in that 'small picture' way of thinking." Is this not exactly what your first statement is doing, keeping you as well as all others who accept this belief as the truth locked in a narrow perspective? Limiting you from seeing the big picture, from viewing it in a different, open and unlimited way of thinking? I write this not to bash you or anyone else but to help the evolution of consciousness which is in fact what all of life is doing, not just humans as we are not above anything else nor below, but all is one organic whole moving forward in eternal continuity. There is a book by Bruce Lipton called; "The biology of beliefs" which explains how each individual cell is in itself intention, awareness and purpose all for the continuation of itself which as you may know, cells make up all of life thus as I have said before, life is life longing for itself, to grow, to learn, to live, to experience itself through many varying forms. What is fascinating is that each individual cell functions together WITH THE "OTHERS" for the betterment of the whole and the ones that don't or that try to create dis-ease are overtaken by a cell that becomes or shapes itself into the same as the dis-eased cell and shuts it down or turns it off. All this is going on inside everything all the time. We humans are made up of over 50 trillion cells all working together. So the point of all this is that science has found that its our beliefs, our thoughts that determine how the cells function, they are ever changing to environment due to how we perceive it and the thoughts we produce in relationship to it hence, we are not limited by DNA, our plight is not predetermined by anything or anyone but our self, that which is the ability to think which is consciousness. The more aware of ones self it becomes the better life it may create for thyself. By better I don't mean just financially, but as a whole, how it feels and sees thyself as it goes through life. Once again to sum it up: "So a person thinks, so shall there life be". There is only freewill in life, how can there not be as life is limitless potentiality? The universe only says yes as it will not deny itself any experience it so choose to have, and we are the universe and it is us. Ones only limits are those which it imposes on itself in the form of what it accepts to be the truth or believes. With free will comes responsibility as with cause follows affect and the laws of the universe hold itself accountable for its affects on itself as it is always on the path of continued expression, for the betterment and continuation of itself. Yet without its opposite it cannot grow or experience life thus as yin yang are seeming opposites they in truth support each other and one could not be without the other, this is harmony. Thus, its not beliefs them self that do anything, but that which is DOING the believing that is in fact causing limitation to itself and that self is us! We, conscious awareness is behind it, we are ability, potentiality. We are cause and effect, the seeker and the seeked, thinker and thought, ALL within The ALL, its that simple and the only thing stopping man from knowing this truth is its beliefs! Not "two" as Sosan puts it, stop trying to know truth and simply let go of opinions which are assumptions which are beliefs or simply know you don't know. I highly encourage anyone to read this book; "Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton it may change the way you see life and you are life!
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Post by popee on Jul 15, 2012 1:47:15 GMT
Well, I agree the comment was poorly articulated. Besides that, what difference does it make? Its not like that transient thought is some core belief or something. I don't really remember, but I suppose I had read some science article earlier in the day, and then blurted out some tangent I was on at the time. I've since moved on to new business.
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Post by withinsilence on Jul 15, 2012 12:38:24 GMT
You ever notice that ability behind thinking or not thinking?
The subtle watcher within, that which observes what is right in front of it yet is before the judgment of it.
Not the body, but that which is right behind the surface of the eyes, the one between this and that, beyond fear.
That which is before thought and holds within it the limitless potentiality to think either for or against but resides within neither or at center, remains in neutral.
That knows it knows not hence it is all knowing.
How old do you think this thing within may be? Is it as old as the body is? Which body? The first one produced or the last one there will be? Is it only within the one you're in or is it in all of them?
Is it within anything else? How do you know?
Does it ever leave us or forsake us or do we leave it? Do we not go get "caught up within" or "attached to" the results of the infinite potentialities within this ability provided because we believe these degrees of opposites to be the truth? Do we not get sad, get depressed, get jealous, get angry? Do we get contentedness, get centered, get wholeness, get balanced or is this just happening when we're not going and getting either opposite? Where do we go and get all these divided thoughts anyway?
Is truth divided? Or may beliefs go either way, for or against, in this, not in that?
Is there any difference between one who believes there is and one who believes there isn't? Does either believer truly know?
If you know, then what need for belief? If you know not, then can't you trust in knowing you don't know? If you can't trust in you, then what?
Is not the ability to think and its results all contained within itself, thus its a self validating system as it believes the contents of what it produces as the truth hence validating the very thoughts its thinking. How may one know if these thoughts its thinking are in fact true or not?
What is awareness? What is attention? Are they at the center of ability, before thinking?
Is there any separation at all between A thinker and its thoughts? Are we governed by every thought we think or are our thoughts governed by us?
Is mind guest or host, or both, or neither, when does "I" come in? Which is you?
What is Sosan's statement "not two" really saying?
What exactly is the truth behind the statement; "Father and I are one" or "The seeker is the seeked?"
What is "I", what is behind it?
Silence may answer all these questions. Stillness of mind one may see. Empty of thought, one may know truth. Within these three one may return to the root, to serenity.
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Post by withinsilence on Jul 16, 2012 12:43:49 GMT
To all who read what I write on this site, please know that it is written from my own perspective, my own experience, from looking within myself and may or may not make sense to you. I share it here with the assumption that those who come to this site are on the path of understanding, seeking to understand the mystery of life, of them self, to gain some insight as to what spirituality is about, thus I write what its about from my understanding of it through my own experiences.
One fact of it, of mind, of no mind, is the farther you go into truth the deeper it is. I know not everyone is willing to go deep yet some cannot go deep enough, both are equally fine as we all must be true to who we are and there is no one absolute way to be. The world could not be the diverse, mystifying, unique, awesome entity that it is if we were all the same, in fact it would be quite boring.
So, I sincerely hope that what is written here is not taken out of context, if it doesn't resonate with you no problem, just treat it as useless rhetoric and move on, if it does great as we all must find our own truth, what works for us and there is no way one thing will work for all at the same time.
All flowers grow at different paces, to different heights, shapes, colors and give off different fragrances, we humans are no different. What would a garden be if it only had the same flower all the time?
Everything I write here is to give a different flavor, a new fragrance, a creative way of looking at life, at ones self. It is written with the intent of opening up ones self, exploring the depths of who we really are and releasing us from our own beliefs of limitations. We all have something to offer to life, to take away from its experiences, and to share with others if we so choose. Our life is ours to live, who else can live your life but you? With our ability to think, to create also comes responsibility hence we need to be responsible for our abilities whatever they may be. The more awareness one lives in, the greater ones understanding of life will be because they will have come to know thyself. First be aware of who you are before you try to know anyone else. If spirituality is about anything at all, it is about that which is within all of us, in all of everything, that which is the mystery of life itself.
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Post by withinsilence on Sept 20, 2012 10:30:38 GMT
I must go so far as to say, unless you give up your role as an individual listener expecting some benefit out of what you hear, words for you would be mere empty sounds. The obstruction preventing apperception is that although you might prepare yourself to accept the thesis that everything in the universe is illusory, in this illusoriness you fail to include yourself! Now- do you see the problem-or is it more a joke than a problem?
Ramesh S. Balsekar-Pointers From Nisargadatta
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