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Peace
Jun 27, 2012 22:42:25 GMT
Post by withinsilence on Jun 27, 2012 22:42:25 GMT
Peace, seemingly illusive, eternally present.
Stop looking and know its presence.
Let go of finding it and see its always been within you, for it is you.
To find "it" is to believe "it" is separate from you, drop this belief and know.
That which is not peace, you go and get within your thoughts.
Does not peace point to a conscious state of being centered, balanced, whole and unmoved?
Where does this state originate?
Awareness is the masters key to living within peace.
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Peace
Jun 30, 2012 13:21:28 GMT
Post by withinsilence on Jun 30, 2012 13:21:28 GMT
The universe only says yes.
You are the consciousness which is it.
Thus, how you "think" or use this ability within consciousness, so shall you have as "yes" or "not no" is all there can be within free will.
If you choose to think or brood over negative thoughts, then "yes" you may feel negative.
If you choose to think or enjoy positive memories, then "yes" you may feel positive.
If you choose not to think but just be, in presence, then "yes" you may be at peace.
If you choose to be at ease by not identifying with your thoughts as though they are reality, by understanding that thoughts are nothing but harmless memories in which their content is not literally happening, or future projections which did not yet happen, then you have come to know peace.
Thoughts are of time, thinking is now.
To understand the relationship of your thoughts to your thinking on them is to be the master of how you presently feel as you go through life.
So one thinks, so it is.
All thinking is done now, the content of ones thoughts it is presently thinking may be from the past, and their affects may be felt as though the thoughts are real or "happening" but in truth thoughts is all they are, harmless memories or harmless projection. Thoughts are happening but their content, that within the thought is not literally happening NOW.
Peace is now, as a potter shapes the clay into the form of his thoughts, so does your thinking thoughts shape how you experience life.
You are the potter, thinking is the clay, what shape are you going to create today?
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Peace
Aug 30, 2012 0:41:43 GMT
Post by withinsilence on Aug 30, 2012 0:41:43 GMT
How to be at peace now? By making peace with the present moment. The present moment is the field on which the game of life happens. It cannot happen anywhere else. Eckhart Tolle
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Peace
Sept 1, 2012 11:31:53 GMT
Post by popee on Sept 1, 2012 11:31:53 GMT
Have you ever witnessed your mind create an imaginary scenario?
all dreams of future are these
but even the so called memories of past events, which supposedly should be based on facts ...
yet if carefully and honestly evaluated ...
something doesn't add up
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Peace
Jan 16, 2013 17:23:00 GMT
Post by withinsilence on Jan 16, 2013 17:23:00 GMT
The Pseudo-Problem of "Suffering"
WHO is there to suffer? Only an object could suffer. I am not an object (no object could be I), and there is no object nor I-subject, both of which would then be objects. Therefore I cannot suffer.
But there appears to be suffering, and its opposite both pleasure and pain. They are appearances, but they are experienced. By whom, by what are they experienced? They are apparently experienced, and by means of an identification of what I am not, or, if you prefer, by what we are not, illusory identified with what we are.
What we are does not know pain or pleasure, what we are does not, as such, know anything, for in neither case is there an object entity to suffer experience.
Whatever intensity sensations may appear to have, in the dream of manifestation they are effects of causes in a time-sequence, and apart from the time-sequence in which they develop they are not either as cause or as effect.
There is no one to suffer. We appear to suffer as a result of our illusory identification with a phenomenal object. Let us at least understand. What we are is unvulnerable and cannot be bound.
All things considered, bondage is wholly the notion of "I", and liberation is liberation from the idea of liberation. Is there in fact any one to be bound, any one to be free?
From; Open Secret-Wei Wu Wei
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Peace
Jan 17, 2013 16:43:25 GMT
Post by gurthbruins on Jan 17, 2013 16:43:25 GMT
If you have suffered pain or pleasure, then you know that there is an Entity that experiences pain and pleasure. You cannot sweep it under the carpet as being "unreal". That entity is You, however much you wish to deny it.
We suffer pain because of divine will, and it's quite easy to see how this suffering is designed purely to help us in our practical task of living our life.
But people don't want to accept this, and come with the Buddha idea of escaping from pain. How to be "liberated" from suffering. A very, very bad idea, to reject the faculty of suffering bestowed on us by the loving God. There is a lot of irony and delicious humour in this set-up. Basically the Buddha confesses that he is Ruled by the Desire to escape from suffering, and the fear of suffering.
Suffering is essential at that moment where it is the right thing to do.
Peace is desirable only at the times suitable for Peace. That is definitely not very often. Reject the fact if you wish. Or accept it.
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Peace
Jan 17, 2013 18:14:50 GMT
Post by withinsilence on Jan 17, 2013 18:14:50 GMT
If you have suffered pain or pleasure, then you know that there is an Entity that experiences pain and pleasure. You cannot sweep it under the carpet as being "unreal". That entity is You, however much you wish to deny it. We suffer pain because of divine will, and it's quite easy to see how this suffering is designed purely to help us in our practical task of living our life. But people don't want to accept this, and come with the Buddha idea of escaping from pain. How to be "liberated" from suffering. A very, very bad idea, to reject the faculty of suffering bestowed on us by the loving God. There is a lot of irony and delicious humour in this set-up. Basically the Buddha confesses that he is Ruled by the Desire to escape from suffering, and the fear of suffering. Suffering is essential at that moment where it is the right thing to do. Peace is desirable only at the times suitable for Peace. That is definitely not very often. Reject the fact if you wish. Or accept it. one would need to define exactly what "you" is referring to. Are you the body or the consciousness using it? To suffer, one would need to be an object and while if one was to smash the hand in a door it would experience pain, this is not proof that this Pain is "you" but is an experience within consciousness. If the hand was made numb prior to smashing it, or an anesthesia was administered so as to deaden those receptors in the brain/cells, then one would not experience the pain just as in surgery, yet it would still be present as presence. When one negates all that is temporary, what is left? Nothing, which is exactly what "you" are, no thing, the formlessness of all and everything. "You" suffer pain and seek pleasure because you believe there is a you based on the belief that this you is the body that is conscious, but is that the case? or is everything consciousness expressing itself through a body, through the form? If one looks deeply within them self, they soon see that a body they cannot be, as "they" perform no function of the workings of the body but only its movements. "you" as consciousness/mind/energy animate the form, hence the formless moves the form, the mind thinks thoughts, hence the thinker (consciousness) is the thought as Krishnamurti pointed out. There cannot be the body that thinks, look at any casket and see that its occupant is not conscious, thus the body is a vehicle of consciousness, not consciousness is dependent on the body. formless before form, it cannot be any other way. Gurth, this is not written against your reply but in addition to it, and I am not advocating anyone to avoid anything, in fact I say to go into life head on and limit not ones experience or deny any life. Not that I recommend trying to suffer, but that it is the experiences of life, ALL OF THEM including suffering which brings about ones fulfillment. We are on the same page. All of this is to bring awareness, which is to inquire into why, or how, not to take the path of repression but to find out through living without limits. Yes that teaching or explanation by wei wu wei is of the extreme, yet it offers an idea, an opportunity for one to inquire into them self to see if this is not a possibility. It is the furthering of consciousness, an opening of the mind into uncharted territory. I am not asking anyone to believe anything I post, in fact I would be disappointed if you did, but to inquire into yourself and see if there is something a little deeper then you previously thought. but I will disagree with you and doubt seriously that Buddha was confessing a desire or had any fear of suffering, he had no fear at all and there was no one there to suffer. This is how I understand the teachings. there is a difference between pain and suffering, pain is experienced within consciousness and suffering is the result of an identity believing it shouldn't be feeling the pain. suffering is a choice, pain is not. I agree that suffering is essential at the time of suffering, yet it is to help one see that it is not necessary to continue within it, hence out of suffering comes non-suffering. there is not "you" and then an entity, there is not "you" and then a soul, there is not "you" and then a life, there is not "you" and then "your" mind, because it is spirit which gives life, thus it gives of itself and itself is ALL......... the above. to see yourself as separate is like saying; "when I die and MY soul goes to heaven I will be in heaven with the angels. Yet read the sentence again, and ask who dies, and then who is the soul and then who is going to be in heaven with the angels, hence mistaken identity. if your body goes in the grave, and your soul goes to heaven, then where do you go?
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Peace
Dec 30, 2014 17:13:09 GMT
Post by withinsilence on Dec 30, 2014 17:13:09 GMT
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Peace
Dec 30, 2014 19:53:06 GMT
Post by withinsilence on Dec 30, 2014 19:53:06 GMT
Krishnamurti: I am saying what is implied in the whole structure and the nature of meditation. It is not how to meditate but what is meditation, rather than how. I hope I am making myself clear. And also there is a question involved in that: who is meditating? And most of the systems of meditation, whether the Japanese, and the Hindus, and so on, Tibetan, there is always the controller and the controlled. Right? Are we meeting each other? So there is the controller controlling thought, to quieten the thought, to shape thought according to a purposeful direction. So there is the controller and the controlled. Who is the controller? Please, all this is implied in meditation, not merely to control one’s thought as is generally understood in meditation, whether it is Zen meditation, or the most complex forms of meditation which take place in India, and elsewhere, there is always the director, the entity that controls thought. So they have divided psychologically the thinker and the thought. So the thinker separates himself from the whole activity of thought, and therefore in meditation is implied the controller controlling thought so as to make thought quiet. That is the essence of meditation, to bring about a state of brain - I won’t use the mind for the moment - to make the brain quiet. I’ll explain a little more and go into that.
So there is a division between the controller and the controlled. Right? Who is the controller? Very few people have asked that question. They are all delighted to meditate, hoping to get somewhere - illumination, enlightenment and quietness of the brain, peace of mind and so on. But very, very few people have enquired: who is the controller? May we go on with that? The controller is also thought. The controller is the past, is the entity, or the movement of time as the past and measure. So there is the past who is the thinker, separate from the thought, and the thinker tries to control thought. Human beings have invented god - sorry, I hope you don’t mind. You won’t be shocked if I go into all this?
A: No, go ahead.
Krishnamurti: Human beings, out of their fear, invented god. And they tried to reach god, which is the ultimate principle, in India it is called Brahman, the ultimate principle. And meditation is to reach the ultimate. So meditation is really very, very complex, it is not just merely meditating for twenty minutes in the morning, twenty minutes in the afternoon, and twenty minutes in the evening - which is taking a siesta, not meditation at all. So if one wants to discover what is meditation one has to ask Krishnamurti: why does one have to meditate? One realizes one’s brain is constantly chattering, constantly planning, designing - what it will do, what it has done, the past impinging itself on the present, it is everlasting chattering, chattering, whether the scientific chatter - sorry! - or ordinary daily life chatter, like a housewife chattering endlessly about something or other. So the brain is constantly in movement. Now the idea of meditation is to make the brain quiet, silent, completely attentive, and in that attention find that which is - perhaps you will object to this word ‘eternity’ - or something sacred. That is the intention of those who really have gone into this question. The speaker has gone into this for the last sixty years or more. He has discussed this question with the Zen pundits, with the Zen patriarches, with the Hindus and Tibetan, and all the rest of the gang. I hope you don’t mind my talking colloquially, do you?
And the speaker refutes all that kind of meditation because their idea of meditation is to achieve an end. The end being complete control of the brain so that there is no movement of thought. Because when the brain is still, deliberately disciplined, deliberately sought after, it is not silent. It is like achieving something, which is the action of desire. I don’t know if you follow all this. May I go on?
So one has to enquire also, if one is interested in all this, what is desire? Not suppress desire, as the monks and the Indian Sannyasis do, suppress desire, or identify desire with something higher - higher principle, higher image, if you are a Christian with Christ and so on. So one has to understand if one wants to find out what is meditation, one has to enquire into desire. All right, sirs?
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