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Post by gurthbruins on Sept 6, 2012 7:38:21 GMT
;D
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Post by withinsilence on Sept 7, 2012 23:51:24 GMT
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Post by popee on Oct 11, 2012 20:09:05 GMT
1 Subheccha: desire for truth. 2 Vicharana: investigation into the truth 3 Tanumanasi: pure and attenuated mind 4 Sattvapatti: the realisation of the truth 5 Asamsakti: a detached outlook on the universe and its contents 6 Padarthabhavani: untainted awareness of Self 7 Turiya: the highest and indescribable state.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 2, 2012 18:51:33 GMT
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Post by withinsilence on Mar 21, 2013 11:51:31 GMT
Christianity clearly defines itself as a militant religion. Then it becomes a question of growing in numbers – not growing towards heights, but widening the empire. It becomes politics, it is no longer religion. All the so-called religions are just political strategies.
The enlightened man cannot be enslaved – that is the difficulty – and he cannot be imprisoned. His individuality and his rebellion make the vested interests – the priests and the politicians and the pedagogues... ”It is better to finish people like Socrates – they are creating a disturbance in the mind of people.”
Every genius who has known something of the inner is bound to be a little difficult to be absorbed; he is going to be an upsetting force. The masses don’t want to be disturbed, even though they may be in misery; they are in misery, but they are accustomed to the misery. And anybody who is not miserable looks like a stranger.
The enlightened man is the greatest stranger in the world, he does not seem to belong to anybody. No organization confines him, no community, no society, no nation. His rebellion is so total that it makes the unconscious crowd antagonistic. Such a man cannot be tolerated alive; he can be worshipped when dead.
You can worship a Buddha when dead. You can worship a Jesus when dead. But not even a single enlightened person has been respected, loved, by the blind and the deaf and the unconscious masses.
This has become a barrier. That’s why you don’t find so many enlightened people. But if you are ready to take the risk, you are capable of becoming a buddha any moment you decide, because it is not a question of going anywhere, it is simply looking inwards.
The Zen Manifesto: Freedom From Oneself by Osho
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Post by gurthbruins on Mar 21, 2013 13:14:58 GMT
It may be that you don't find enlightened people because they positively do not wish to be found. Why should they? Remember the phrase in Moby Dick: "the choice hidden handful of the divine inert." And also Einstein's "Keep your trap shut!"
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Post by withinsilence on Mar 21, 2013 15:51:33 GMT
;D He knows peace who has forgotten desire. Water flows continually into the ocean, But the ocean is never disturbed: Desire flows into the mind of the seer, But he is never disturbed. The seer knows peace, He lives without craving: Free from ego, free from pride.
From Bhagavad-Gita-The Song of God Swami Prabhavananda & Christopher Isherwood
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Post by withinsilence on May 29, 2013 11:08:44 GMT
Silence offers an insight into the true nature for those who enter it. It is said that all of mans troubles stem from his inability to sit quietly and do nothing. When it is right for one to enter silence it will, to force something is unnatural and generates a counter force, this goes against the natural current of Tao.
Spiritual teachings are but pointers to an inner fragrance, silence offers one a chance to experience it, to smell the truth of divinity.
It is said patience is a virtue, to live in the present moment, to accept life and forgive and forget, which all happens quite simply within silence. If the mind is silent, still and empty, then so will the outer expressions of this one. This state is not forced through effort, but happens all of its own accord when one lets go of trying to control and comes to understand the mind through simple observation. When one is unattached to its thoughts, then how can it be governed by them?
What is, before thinking? What is, before beliefs? What is, before being? Awareness, awareness, awareness.
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Post by popee on May 29, 2013 20:32:20 GMT
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." ~ Blaise Pascal
what is loneliness?
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Post by withinsilence on May 30, 2013 11:09:03 GMT
"All men's miseries derive from not being able to sit in a quiet room alone." ~ Blaise Pascal what is loneliness? when I speak or say the word "loneliness" I feel fear, it generates a negative essence within it which seems to be based on an identity being needy or greedy for "others", dependent on outside acceptance, insecurity. In other words someone who only thinks of "them self" is lonely, afraid of being alone, hence fear. While aloneness, when spoken, generates a feeling of wholeness without fear. In other words, one is secure in its being, trusting in being alone, with faith and without fear. One knows thyself and one does not. One has moved past fear, one has not. One is based in love, acceptance and wholeness, one is not. One is based on the material, one is not. This is of course, simply how I see it innately. Please believe not, a word I write or speak, for how else does one come to know but through the courage of entering the unknown within, on its own quest for understanding.
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Post by popee on May 30, 2013 15:09:31 GMT
yes, nice distinction between loneliness and aloneness.
as I see it, loneliness, or boredom, are examples of the kind of self inflicted suffering that is brought about by not embracing the present moment .. as it is
aloneness is a different kettle of fish entirely. I don't embrace it, but nor do I hide from it
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Post by withinsilence on May 30, 2013 22:26:59 GMT
Yes, flowing with life, with the current of Tao makes for a much less bumpy ride. Can one change the direction of water by swimming upstream?
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 15, 2014 19:47:06 GMT
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 17, 2014 21:41:19 GMT
From-Think on These Things
Questioner: What is the soul?
Krishnamurti: Our culture, our civilization has invented the word `soul' - civilization being the collective desire and will of many people. Look at the Indian civilization. Is it not the result of many people with their desires, their wills? Any civilization is the outcome of what may be called the collective will; and the collective will in this case has said that there must be something more than the physical body which dies, decays, something much greater, vaster, something indestructible immortal; therefore it has established this idea of the soul. Now and then there may have been one or two people who have discovered for themselves something about this extraordinary thing called immortality, a state in which there is no death, and then all the mediocre minds have said, "Yes, that must be true, he must be right; and because they want immortality they cling to the word `soul'.
You also want to know if there is something more than mere physical existence, do you not? This ceaseless round of going to an office, working at something in which you have no vital interest, quarrelling, being envious, bearing children, gossiping with your neighbour, uttering useless words - you want to know if there is something more than all this. The very word `soul' embodies the idea of a state which is indestructible, timeless, does it not? But, you see, you never find out for yourself whether or not there is such a state. You don't say, "I am not concerned with what Christ, Shankara, or anybody else has said, nor with the dictates of tradition of so-called civilization; I am going to find out for myself whether or not there is a state beyond the framework of time". You don't revolt against what civilization or the collective will has formulated; on the contrary, you accept it and say, "Yes, there is a soul". You call that formulation one thing, another calls it something else, and then you divide yourselves and become enemies over your conflicting beliefs.
The man who really wants to find out whether or not there is a state beyond the framework of time, must be free of civilization; that is, he must be free of the collective will and stand alone. And this is an essential part of education: to learn to stand alone so that you are not caught either in the will of the many or in the will of one, and are therefore capable of discovering for yourself what is true.
Don't depend on anybody. I or another may tell you there is a timeless state, but what value has that for you? If you are hungry you want to eat, and you don't want to be fed on mere words. What is important is for you to find out for yourself. You can see that everything about you is decaying, being destroyed. This so-called civilization is no longer being held together by the collective will; it is going to pieces. Life is challenging you from moment to moment, and if you merely respond to the challenge from the groove of habit, which is to respond in terms of acceptance, then your response has no validity. You can find out whether or not there is a timeless state, a state in which there is no movement of `the more' or of `the less', only when you say, "I am not going to accept, I am going to investigate, explore" - which means that you are not afraid to stand alone.
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