Post by withinsilence on Aug 23, 2012 13:48:12 GMT
I count yours as 30, but whose counting? In reality is matters not as in-between this and that is "no-thing", non-duality, no opposites, as that was what I wrote, the exact opposite of what you wrote thus between them is no thing, between opposites IS..........reality............no thing ness, neti, neti, the root of ALL, non separation.
fulcrum is correct, the further one moves away from the fulcrum the more unbalanced or off center they become, doing so results in suffering. Seeing oneself as separate is to move far away from God, Truth, Beauty, Tao, All, Peace, Serenity, Equanimity, What Is, Now, Etc. All words only pointing to What Is beyond words yet known within yet unexplainable, it happens of its own accord.
If one looks at the center of a cross, at the intersection of the lines, sees how they are interconnected, the linear line with the vertical line, and draws a circle around it, it creates a bulls-eye, hence revealing the interconnected ness of ALL, it reveals center, balance, "The Mark" so to speak as anything outside of this is to "Miss The Mark" which is described by the word "sin" which is just believing you are separate from anything or to be attached to a false "identity".
Center is NOW, whereas the left side represent past and the right side future, thus the more centered one is in no mind, the more present one is, the more balanced one is, the more awareness is, just watching.
Transcending the linear or horizontal is to enter into the vertical, to "go beyond" as the horizontal represents the "world of thought" and the vertical represents "Divine Mind" beyond "conceptual thought", beyond this and that.
To know what is, see what its not, thus what isn't reality?
To know for sure, see what is factual, actual. You don't see electric (energy) but yet you know it there and use it all the time.
You don't see the intelligence behind your immune system but you know its functioning, is it not real?
"Problem" is a question. Unawareness is a problem, is humanity aware of its unawareness? That question answers itself.
What is preventing it from being.......aware of itself? This will reveal the problem. What/who prevents peace.....this will reveal the cause.
If what you say and do is a reflection of the inside, then where do all problems originate? So then a man is the cause of whose problems?
It is said that all of mans problems stem from his inability to sit quietly and do nothing.
Meditation is a prescription, contemplation is a prescription, silence a prescription, yet one can become addicted to it just like any other drug, its purpose is to return one to health (understanding-awareness-balance-center-serenity) and then in health one can maintain equanimity by refilling the prescription when necessary.
"Warrior am I and from the battle I emerge Triumphant"
Post by withinsilence on Sept 4, 2012 15:46:35 GMT
This essay is from Osho:
You ask, ‘Does that moment ever come where one knows why things are the way they are, and not in any other way?’
No, things are the way they are, there is no other way. This is the only way. And there is no why to it, otherwise you could have come to know. There is no cause to it, otherwise you would have decoded it. There is no reason for existence. It is utterly absurd, it should not exist, there is no reason for it. Why should there be trees and stars and men and women — why? There is no reason why there should be love, why there should be consciousness. Why at all? The why starts slipping from you. The more you become silent, the more you attain to the state of not-knowing, the why starts slipping. One day suddenly you are not searching for causes and reasons and whys. You simply start dancing. You cannot answer why you are dancing, there is no answer to it. And all answers that have been given are false.
Why do you love? Why does music thrill YOU? Why, seeing a flower in the morning, are you suddenly pulled by it like a magnet? Why in the night are you so attracted to the moon? Why? A child giggling, and you stop for a moment to see the child and you feel happy. Why is there happiness? Why is there celebration? Why is there LIFE? Why does existence exist? There is no reason. And if you find any reason, the question will again be relevant to ask — why?
If you say God created the world then the question comes, why did He create the world? It doesn’t solve anything, it simply pushes the question a little deeper — why did God create the world?
Just the other day I was reading a theologian’s book. and he says, ‘What was God doing when He had not created the world?’ Now one question has not been solved by the answer, and a very strange question arises: what was God doing? — because He must have existed for eternity before He created the world. And the Christians believe that He created the world only a few thousand years before — four thousand and four years before Jesus Christ. So what was He doing before that? He must have been feeling utterly bored.
He must have gone mad or may have committed suicide. What was He doing? Or He was just asleep, dreaming dreams. And what has He been doing since then? Since He created the world, where has He disappeared? And what will He do when He has destroyed this world? Again He will be bored with Himself. He must be really lonely.
Now these unnecessary questions, because you answered one question. Mm? You were feeling uneasy with the world so you said God created the world. You wanted some convenience, some comfort — that it is not just an accident, that there is a God-father who looks after it, that you are not alone. You wanted some kind of security. And now that one question has not been answered, and a thousand and one questions have arisen out of it. Why did He create in the first place? Did He need it? If He needed it then He’s as needy as man — then He’s not perfect, something was missing.
Was He greedy? Was He an expansionist? Why? And why THIS world? With so much misery and so much suffering and so much illness and disease and death — why THIS world? If He created it He could have created a better world. He doesn’t seem to be a great creator.
I have heard: A man went to a tailor, a famous tailor, and he said that his suit had to be ready as soon as possible, he was going for a world tour. And the tailor said, ‘Look, it will take at least six weeks — not before that, I am too busy. And I am a perfectionist; when I do a thing I do it perfectly. You will have to wait at least six weeks, before that it is not possible.’
The man said, ‘Six weeks? Don’t you remember God created the whole world in six days?’ And the tailor said, ‘I know. And look at the world, how He messed it. That’s what happens if you do things in six days. I cannot do that, it will take six weeks.’
Why did God create this ugly miserable world? Why did He create this hell? Doesn’t seem to be a master-creator, seems to be a very poor artisan. And there are a thousand and one mistakes in it. You don’t solve by answering the why. Buddha is far more true, he says nobody has ever created it. In that way he disposes of your question. He says it has always been there and will always be there — for no reason at all, for no cause at all. It exists without cause. That is difficult for the rational mind, because we always look for the cause. Once the cause is given we feel at ease. It is a hankering for the reason; once we know the explanation and the cause and the reason, we feel good that we know. But what do you know?
All the theology down the ages has not supplied a single answer. The whole philosophy of five thousand years has proved absolutely futile.
If you understand me, then I would like to say that there never comes a moment of knowledge when you have known why the world is the way it is and why it is not in any other way. The more deeply you go into your being, less and less questions arise. One day all questions disappear. I am not saying that you get any answer, only questions disappear. The man we call enlightened is not the man who knows the answer, but is the man whose questions have disappeared. He no more has any questions. In that state of non-questioning there is great silence, utter silence, absolute silence. And a beautiful not-knowing.
That not-knowing comes, that not-knowing is enlightenment. Buddha has not known a single thing. All that he has come to is, his questions have disappeared. Now there is no more any question buzzing in his mind; all that noise has gone. He is left alone in silence. He is no more a knower, he has no claim that he knows this or that. He knows only nothing. That’s what Buddha calls ‘nirvana’ — to know nothing, or to know ONLY nothing. To be in a state of not-knowing is samadhi.
A great essay, this, I opine. Why? For the same reason as any essay is needed: to contradict what has been overstated. To restore an imbalance by going the other way.
If so much tripe had not been written, this essay would be superfluous. But as it is...
I was thinking this morning of Tolle's emphasis on the NOW. I find it futile, nonsensical and pointless. It achieves nothing. It means nothing. It aims at nothing. I don't find this overstatement of the NOW in Meister Eckhart, whose name I fear has been taken in vain.
My point is that anything goes. As you say in your essay, nothing could be otherwise than what it is. So anything goes, such as this vicious, slashing attack of mine. And so we reach the zenith of our freedom.
I like the the questioning of questioning that is in your essay. Questions should be confined to what is worth questioning, else they are futile indeed. One should be able to learn before the end of one's life what is not answerable.
Post by withinsilence on Sept 5, 2012 11:40:09 GMT
Gurth, this essay is not from me, but Osho. When I cut and pasted it I thought his name was on it. I have added his name to it, sorry about that.
Maybe Tolle's whole effort is to help people realize.........nothing hence no-thingness, to dissolve conceptual identity as when you are completely present in now, with focused attention through your eyes and ears and not in your thoughts, you may realize that there is no one but pure awareness looking, no this or that, just a watching, observer.
thus his whole effort may be to do exactly what your claiming it does, nothing, it creates doubt, it brings one out of their conditioned thoughts and into awareness.
Like he says's in his book, if you haven't experienced what he is telling you, you CANNOT know it, you can only believe it or disbelieve, this creates doubt, which may instigate inquiry which may bring change, I call it disruption, disturbance in your conditioned way of seeing things. I think that's what he's doing, creating change, to get people out of egoic consciousness, or basically old habits and thought patterns we have been stuck in for quite some time.
its no different than what Osho did in the essay, he destroys all beliefs about God creating the world, about God itself, all of Christianity in a few questions, he rips you out of your assumptions. you can stay in them if you like, but the seed is planted, doubt is created and it will either take root and grow into a beautiful flower or rot and decay all the way to the grave, the choice, the path is every ones to take or not as free will prevails.
now in previous times he would have been hung, tortured or burned for this Blasphemous rhetoric do to the "BELIEFS" of the church, you know those loving fellows who preach peace and forgiveness, yet ask yourself; what has he done wrong in this essay except question all that your identity is trying to hang on to? This is his whole effort, to reveal to the reader that you don't know, not only that but there is no one who does and all that your tiny ego has been identified with is useless, empty, hollow, a drop of the ocean that believes its the whole ocean.
Spiritual teachings=dissolution of falsity (identity)=truth which is knowing you don't know which leads one to trust by looking within itself and not outside sources. A true "master" is a guide to lead a seeker into itself, to get the one seeking to see that he is that which he is in search of. A true "master" sets the prisoner free from itself, he desires no students, he has no agenda, no idea to make one believe in, no ego to fulfill, he is whole within himself thus he need not approval or acceptance but lives in compassion for the lost as he himself once was also lost and seeking. As the Tao is a place of refuge for the lost and a place of celebration for the found so is the master as he has become one with it.
What is a good man but a bad man's teacher, what is a bad man but a good man's job. This is the great secret.
Its simple; truth sets you free, not beliefs, assumptions, or anyone else!
Post by withinsilence on Sept 5, 2012 18:47:58 GMT
This is from Osho,
Question – When i stand back and watch it all, it seems so incredibly and absurdly humorous. Is life really so unserious? is that all there is to it?
Osho – Prem Indivar, what else do you want? What else do you expect out of life? Is this not more than one can ask for? Life is tremendously absurd, that is its beauty. It is ridiculous, that is its joy. It is playful, it is not serious at all. Except for stupid people, nobody is ever serious.
Stupid people are bound to be serious because that is the only way to cover their stupidity. Intelligent people have a sense of humor. Stupid people cannot afford it, because a sense of humor needs great intelligence. To be miserable is very easy; anybody can do it. It needs nothing – no intelligence, no courage.
That’s why there are so many miserable people all over the world: it is cheap, it costs nothing, it is available free of charge. But to be blissful one needs to risk much. To have a sense of humor one needs a kind of transcendence. Seriousness is a disease.
Now you are asking: ”When I stand back and watch it all, it seems so incredibly and absurdly humorous.”
It is so. Just go on watching more and more, and stand as far back as possible. Become a witness. But you don’t go too far, it seems – just one step and then you jump back into it. You become afraid because it looks so incredibly absurd. You become afraid: are you going mad or something? Don’t be worried – you are mad already! Now nothing more can happen to you; that is your security.
You ask: ”Is life really so unserious?” Life knows nothing of seriousness, hence you cannot call it unserious either. If there is something serious, then something can be called unserious; but life knows nothing of seriousness, hence it knows nothing of unseriousness either. It simply is – neither serious nor unserious. It is what it is. And when you see it from a distance in a cool way, calm way, that’s what meditation is all about. You will start dancing, you will start laughing a great belly laughter.
And the Zen saying says: Whenever such belly laughter happens – laughter like Bodhidharma’s – white lotuses start showering from the sky, from nowhere. The white lotus is a beautiful symbol. White represents multidimensionality, because white contains all the colors of the spectrum. That is the most strange, unbelievable quality about white: it contains all the colors yet it seems to be colorless. It is not red, it is, not blue, it is not green, although it contains all the colors. But it contains all those colors in such synthesis, in such harmony, that they all disappear. They dissolve into oneness, and that oneness is white.
White represents the ultimate synthesis and harmony. It is the greatest orchestra, where all the musical instruments dissolve into each other – and not only the instruments but the musicians, too. The whole orchestra functions as a single, organic, orgasmic unity. White represents that. And the lotus also is a great symbol, particularly in the East – naturally, because the East knows what great lotuses are. In the West you only have small lotuses – they need hot sun. The East knows great fragrant lotuses, and the lotus became one of the central symbols of the East. You may have seen buddha statues of Buddha sitting on a lotus, of Vishnu, the Hindu god, standing on a lotus.
The lotus represents the essential meaning of sannyas. The lotus lives in the lake and yet the water cannot touch it. It lives in the water and yet remains untouched by the water. The lotus represents the witnessing quality of your being: you live in the world, but you remain a witness. You remain in the world and yet you are not part of it. You participate and yet you are not part of it. You are in the world, but the world is not in you.
When you become a calm and cool observer of life you are going to laugh – not ordinary laughter but a belly laughter like a lion’s roar. And white lotuses will start showering on you. Life is neither serious nor nonserious. It is a tremendous play, playfulness. Yes, many times it is ridiculous, incredibly absurd, but in our minds those words have a very wrong connotation, something negative. When we say something is absurd we mean that it is something wrong. No, it is not so.
Absurd simply means beyond our logic. Absurd simply means beyond our expectations. Absurd simply means that there is always a surprise. Absurd simply means that life is unpredictable and cannot be reduced to cause-and-effect, that life is more than logic, more than language can contain, more than can be expressed.
And it is tremendously humorous… because here you see gods pretending to be beggars. Yes, it is a pretense. Here you will see buddhas being miserable.
Everything is illogical, nothing makes sense. But that is the beauty of life: that nothing makes sense. If everything made sense, life would be a boredom. Because nothing makes sense, life is always a constant joy, a constant surprise.
The man looked at the psychiatrist and said, ”I work at the pickle factory and I have an incredible desire to put my prick in the pickle cutter.” The doctor thought for a moment and then replied, ”I see. Perhaps it is a result of some suppressed childhood behavior – could be an Oedipus complex. I suggest you take a two week vacation, then you go back to work for a week and then return to me to start therapy.”
Three weeks later the man returned and told the doctor that he had done it. ”You stuck your prick in the pickle cutter?” ”Yes,” the man replied. ”Well, what happened?” the psychiatrist asked. ”I was fired,” he said. ”Yes, of course, but didn’t something else happen?” ”Oh yes,” the man replied, ”the pickle cutter, she was fired too.”
If your not having a giant belly laugh right now, your taking yourself and life way too seriously. ;D