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Post by popee on Nov 28, 2011 14:56:59 GMT
I don't believe there is "a God". All is All, is all. Anything you, I, Jesus or Moses, says originated from the All. No one is "outside" looking in. There is no outside.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 28, 2011 16:47:29 GMT
I agree, there is no "outside" source watching its creation destroy itself but is within everything awaiting the day when its creation will hear its silent call of unconditional love and awaken to the ignorant fear based, punishment and reward system the delusional mind has created. All one has to do is get away from the "world man's created" and go sit in nature and see how abundant, simple, perfect and beautiful life truly is. The gardener is the garden, the singer is not separate from the song nor the painter from the painting or the dancer from the dance and the creator lies not outside its creation for it is life longing for itself. IMVHO
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Post by popee on Nov 28, 2011 17:03:37 GMT
I don't think there are any "problems", not even a "delusional mind". Cause & effect settles all scores.
Now, if a person is miserable, that too has a cause and effect. And a simple cure.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 28, 2011 17:27:09 GMT
You are the cause and also its effect and one learns to not create any problems from its lesson of suffering. If there were no problems we would never grow as human beings.
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Post by popee on Nov 28, 2011 17:57:08 GMT
Grow into what, exactly? Do you feel incomplete somehow? Or are we talking "divine plan" here?
Whatever we "grow" into, evolution will take care of that without any worry of ours.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 28, 2011 18:14:23 GMT
Exact! Only I choose to define my God as identical with that All.
Indeed there is no outside.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 28, 2011 18:23:36 GMT
Grow into what, exactly? Do you feel incomplete somehow? Or are we talking "divine plan" here? Whatever we "grow" into, evolution will take care of that without any worry of ours. - popee, I can't fault this, I believe it. But it's OK if some people are caused to be dissatisfied and want to change things. That's also part of God's will, imo.
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Post by popee on Nov 28, 2011 19:29:18 GMT
Well, of course, nearly everyone is dissatisfied about this or that. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but perhaps ... unnecessary, and the cause of most problems. It's like the little Dutch boy, who keeps sticking his fingers in the dyke, and as he stops one leak, another one pops up somewhere else. It seems it is the nature of man to see faults, and constantly trying to fix things.
To end this cycle of seeing faults ... surrender to what is .. and be content.
=== In my opinion, of course, but I'm not going to write that every time no one here should feel inclined to, obviously all posts are just opinions!
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 28, 2011 22:29:19 GMT
Grow into what, exactly? Do you feel incomplete somehow? Or are we talking "divine plan" here? Whatever we "grow" into, evolution will take care of that without any worry of ours. Grow out of ignorance and into understanding, grow out of beliefs and into truth, grow out of separation and into unity, grow out of hatred and into compassion, grow out of control and into allowing, grow out of suffering and into acceptance, grow out of the pathetic, lazy nothing but an animal you believe you are and into the divine, empathetic, unconditionally loving, perfected, balanced energy, perfected pure consciousness the one truly is. This is called evolving, transformation, and it is done through growth, learning, experience and you get these from living. You see you have a purposeless life thus why live, there is no point, I don't see it that way but this is all just my opinion and mere speculation.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 29, 2011 7:16:30 GMT
withinsilence wrote: picasaweb.google.com/113760769937610806156/Portraits?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ_hpv27t6z9LQRe animals: I see them as more divine, empathetic, unconditionally loving, perfected, balanced energy, perfected pure consciousness, plus more poised, beautiful, blissful, honest, wise, moral, just, virtuous, knowing, healthy, beings than human beings. By a long way.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 29, 2011 12:45:40 GMT
withinsilence wrote: picasaweb.google.com/113760769937610806156/Portraits?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ_hpv27t6z9LQRe animals: I see them as more divine, empathetic, unconditionally loving, perfected, balanced energy, perfected pure consciousness, plus more poised, beautiful, blissful, honest, wise, moral, just, virtuous, knowing, healthy, beings than human beings. By a long way. Thanks for the link, the pictures are awesome. I don't disagree with you on this point as even the most violent animals live the truth of who they "truly" are. I have a German Shepherd that I love as much (sometimes more hehe) than most humans. As always my point is for whoever reads my writing to stop and ask them self why...why is man like he is....why, what is the single cause of all his actions? All of man's outside words and actions originate within him as all he does and says originates in thought, thus the teaching; "know thyself." If man would stop for one minute and look within he would know the cause of all his self created suffering. Why doesn't he?
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