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Post by withinsilence on Nov 18, 2011 18:12:21 GMT
I know everyone on this site has done their share of research/reading/seeking. I would like to share different sayings, books or sites that have helped move us along on our journey. Here is one of my favorite verses from the Tao Te Ching (by Stephen Mitchell) and one I try to live by:
Verse 50 The master gives himself up to whatever the moment brings. He knows that he is going to die, and he has nothing left to hold on to: no illusions in his mind, no resistance in his body. He doesn't think about his actions; they flow from the core of his being. He holds nothing back from life; therefore he is ready for death, as a man is ready for sleep after a good day's work.
Anyone who has studied Tao knows that acceptance is its main teaching which is what this verse is saying....surrender, acceptance, let go, allow, non attachment etc.
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Post by popee on Nov 18, 2011 18:53:34 GMT
yes, and anyone can be a master ... but getting there requires something .. not effort .. but something/nothing ... surrender, acceptance, forgiveness etc .. as you said
but I am just a lowly humble student, so it almost is foolish of me to chime in, but we're all friends here, so I'm just talking to be talking
glad you came here WS, I enjoy reading your prose and poetry
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 18, 2011 19:03:16 GMT
Thank you popee. Not chiming in is foolish as how will one grow without inquiry? A master I am far from and as soon as one starts displaying himself as one, this is a sure sign that he isn't! Students teach the teachers how to hone their "Skillful Means" as tat would say. So as the Tao Te Ching states: What is a good man but a bad man's teacher, what is a bad man but a good man's job!
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 19, 2011 14:34:58 GMT
popee-we all are similar in so many ways and if the world "we" would focus on that instead of separation the world would be the more beautiful, peacful place ALL our hearts KNOW it truly IS! But it is in chaos for a reason=purpose, for how does one come to peace without first experiencing conflict, truth without falsity, love without hatred and so on. The world is set up in duality because out of duality comes unity thus duality is false and unity is truth as in reality there is only truth or unity but it takes duality to bring suffering which brings one seeking a way out of it which brings surrender which brings one back to its originating source which is unity, joy, bliss, truth. The plan is perfect and I have no wordly words to describe it besides profound, beautiful, and basically I stand in AWE at creation (creator) and its infinite intelligence. Do not end the search, but live it, life (experience) is the search, the search is to put meaning in life as "you" are a co-creator of it. There is no limit to life but those "you" impose on your self and if you look deep within you will see that all those limitations are NOTHIN BUT THOUGHTS! They are not truth. As far as this thinking thing and this not thinking thing......we need to think as human beings but we need to KNOW that WE are the thinker and that thinking is an ABILITY that we have the RESPONSIBILITY of using. All of life, listen to this, all of life originates within and is relfected or cast out into the world in the form of words (sound) or action (motion). Thus you have an ability to create (imagine) anything you want and manifest (produce=make) it in this world of three dimensional form. Example: there was no bulidings till someone "thought" of it and then "thought" of a way to make it out of what nature provides. Everything in this world is a product of thought including all that is good and all that is bad, hence the responsibility of the ability. What I'm saying is that one is not to just stop its life, stop thinking and let itself just die, but to know the function of its ability and create the world it knows it can be, because it knows its true nature of unity. George Bernard Shaw said; "You see things the way they are and ask why; but I see things that never were and ask why not?" As far as myself popee, I am an extremist by nature. When I lived in the ego (Edging God Out) it was extreme, then when I was shocked out of slumber and into wakefulness I was extreme in that. Buy that I mean I read everything I could get my hands on, to the point of almost causing my wife to divorce me. I have read hundreds of books, websites, scriptures etc. So yes I'm well read but this does not equal experience. I am at a contented (balanced) point in my life rght now which I am extremely greatful for and am working on my "skillful Means" of helping others out of slumber. Unfortunatly most people have no idea that they're sleep walking so I'm trying to find ways to show them without creating conflict. In other words; "its hard to be found when you "believe" your not lost!"
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Post by popee on Nov 19, 2011 14:56:19 GMT
thank you for the thoughtful response sorry, what you responded to, disappeared my processes are difficult to describe hanging on to some things letting go of others
its all good regardless no worries to speak of
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 19, 2011 15:05:10 GMT
Am I missing your point or not understanding you correctly? Help me understand. I have a habit of reading into things far too deeply.
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Post by popee on Nov 19, 2011 15:19:34 GMT
Don't read anything into it whatsoever. There's nothing to read. A "bad habit" of mine, acquired at the ST forum, is all.
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Unrelated ...
We may slightly disagree on "thinking". I don't think its "bad", or to be avoided necessarily, but I'm not a huge fan of it personally. It seems to the cause of most trouble. Things can certainly be accomplished without its use.
We'll explore this in greater detail later perhaps.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 19, 2011 15:24:35 GMT
-we all are similar in so many ways and if the world "we" would focus on that instead of separation the world would be the more beautiful, peacful place ALL our hearts KNOW it truly IS! But it is in chaos for a reason=purpose, for how does one come to peace without first experiencing conflict, truth without falsity, love without hatred and so on. The world is set up in duality because out of duality comes unity thus duality is false and unity is truth as in reality there is only truth or unity but it takes duality to bring suffering which brings one seeking a way out of it which brings surrender which brings one back to its originating source which is unity, joy, bliss, truth. The plan is perfect and I have no wordly words to describe it besides profound, beautiful, and basically I stand in AWE at creation (creator) and its infinite intelligence. Do not end the search, but live it, life (experience) is the search, the search is to put meaning in life as "you" are a co-creator of it. Sublime and inspiring IMVHO - that could be because what you say is so very close to what I feel/think/believe/am myself. I am reminded of "Harmony through Disharmony" which is one of the 7 rays (paths or modes of action) described by Alice Bailey in her book called (I think) The Seven Rays. Which incidentally is the ray I'm supposed to be on myself astrologically - because the 7 rays are linked to astrology in Alice Bailey's Esoteric Astrology which is one of my chief Bibles/textbooks-of-psychology-and-the-soul's-purpose (Which purpose is different for different people.)
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 19, 2011 15:46:50 GMT
I write what I truly feel inside gurth. If I don't feel it, I don't write it and what is written in that statement above is my truth. I know it is only my belief/idea/concept but I find myself asking; "why can't it be the truth for all?" In other words, if man can believe he's separate and that life is "only" about survival, then why can't he believe he's united and we all are to help each other through life? For separation is only a thought so what stops its opposite? For from whom does the wind deny a breath? On who does the sun not shine? For who do the planets/animals not nourish? From whom does water deny its life sustaining ability? All these pro life manifestations are given freely, provided for everyone without judgment, in continued abundance, when will man learn to be like it's creator...only giving? I will read the book (Esoteric Astrology) as I have not studied this subject in depth.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 19, 2011 15:53:38 GMT
popee I understand living in non-thinking as I am spending more and more of life in this state. And yes we cause our own suffering and that of others when we get "caught up" in it. But for example: I wreck buildings for a living, I am a heavy equipment operator (24 yrs) and have to apply a certain amount of "thinking" as I tear down structures hence every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If I don't think through my action and forsee a "possible" reaction I cause buildings to fall in wrong directions. This is what I mean by thinking is needed, its here for us to use to help us in this realm.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 19, 2011 15:59:05 GMT
"when will man learn to be like it's creator...only giving?"
When indeed. But I must accept the delay, mine is not to reason why. My faith, my belief (which I Will cling to), and my trust compel me, and I want to accept that compulsion.
It seems to me that that is linked to the fact that I feel happy enough, with no desire to become absurdly happy.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 19, 2011 16:05:30 GMT
yes, I am beyond thankful that I am truly full of joy, bliss my only "desire" is that everyone could be, but I suppose "in time..life times" we all experience this side of the equation!=equal
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Post by charliegee on Nov 19, 2011 17:02:07 GMT
I too am happy to be happy/sad/joyous/miserable as it all adds up to 'okay' at this point in my life ... and I'm happy to have been invited here as well ...
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Post by popee on Nov 19, 2011 18:45:31 GMT
I tried to read Alice Bailey years ago, right after trying to read Helena Blavatsky. Neither effort yielded much, but that's because I just didn't exert the effort needed to make it worthwhile. The Kybalion I liked, but eventually I moved on to different things.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 19, 2011 22:53:11 GMT
I tried to read Alice Bailey years ago, right after trying to read Helena Blavatsky. Neither effort yielded much, but that's because I just didn't exert the effort needed to make it worthwhile. The Kybalion I liked, but eventually I moved on to different things. (italics mine) - Here's an example of how astrology helps me to understand people. You speak of needing effort, and in another post you said much the same thing. But I don't need to wonder why you should be like that. Capricorns are proverbially hard-working and ambitious of achievement. "The goat climbs the mountain, and never rests until he reaches the lonely peak." So I understand why you should speak like that, indeed it would surprise me if you did not. I myself have two sides: more superficially, I am non-Capricorn so I am as lazy as hell. On another level, when my passion is aroused, I am the purest Capricorn and can work with the best of them.
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