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Post by popee on Nov 17, 2011 20:48:30 GMT
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 18, 2011 18:56:33 GMT
Thats funny popee from spirituality to politics what a spread. nice post enjoyed it. Now if our political leaders (in the USA) could grow a pair and start speaking the truth!
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Post by popee on Nov 18, 2011 19:16:53 GMT
Yes it is a very funny spread. I used to struggle with the paradox of thinking this on one hand, that on another, but now, seemingly, everything is in the loving hands of This, so I stopped worrying about it.
So now the world waits to see if the ECB is gonna print infinite more Euros, and if not, so they say .. the system collapses. LOL
Man, left to his own devices ... is funny. lol
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US leadership = maximum hubris see Rome circa 190 AD
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many people don't have a clue how precarious things are right now (don't care) (don't wanna know) fine (think it wouldn't affect them) wrong
betting against the system is almost always a losing bet so no need to panic (we'll see ... lol)
but here's a good clue to watch for if yield on the 10y US bond goes below 1.4 % money market panic is setting in then if the Fed and or ECB launches immediate easing
maybe consider your panic options lol
me personally? I'm stepping up my enlightenment program
it'll be easier that way LOL
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 25, 2011 17:23:51 GMT
Check this out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRtc-k6dhgsThis guy; Charles Eisenstein is a phenomenal writer, speaker, thinker and has written a couple outstanding books which can be found here: sacred-economics.com/ and here: ascentofhumanity.com/I have never read a more detailed account of how man has gotten where he is on all fronts, spiritually, psychologically, scientific, medically you name it this guy has put it all together in this book which is second to none I have ever read. In the other book Sacred Economics he explains how to create a new economy based not on fiat currency but on...well you'll have to read it. This guy is remarkable and is on course to change the world to the more beautiful world our hearts tell us it truly can be.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 26, 2011 14:47:41 GMT
Check this out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRtc-k6dhgsThis guy; Charles Eisenstein is a phenomenal writer, speaker, thinker and has written a couple outstanding books which can be found here: sacred-economics.com/ and here: ascentofhumanity.com/I have never read a more detailed account of how man has gotten where he is on all fronts, spiritually, psychologically, scientific, medically you name it this guy has put it all together in this book which is second to none I have ever read. In the other book Sacred Economics he explains how to create a new economy based not on fiat currency but on...well you'll have to read it. This guy is remarkable and is on course to change the world to the more beautiful world our hearts tell us it truly can be. withinsilence, I've started reading Ascent of Humanity. I haven't got very far yet, but I must say I find this a great read. So far, I don't think your evaluation is overdone at all. One phrase I loved: "cultural sensitives". Housemate Lauren often calls me a "culture vulture", shameless flattery of course, but in fact she has most remarkable talents and insights. It may be doubted anyway whether any person in history has ever been totally honest. Personally, I wouldn't even try. ;D
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 26, 2011 16:04:28 GMT
I'm glad your reading it as it is one of those rare books that can help humanity understand why its at where its at and how we all can help shape not only our own individual lives for the better but that of all those we come into contact with, humanity as a whole. I have the audio version also as I drive a lot for my job so it was a great benefit for me because I've listened to the book at least six times and every time I learn or understand something more. The author gave up his job and spent ten years of his life doing research to write this book as it shows in its depth and his knowledge of so many diverse topics that all tie in together to show how man has accented to where he's currently at. Enjoy Gurth.
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Post by popee on Nov 28, 2011 13:55:10 GMT
Economic utopia? HA! Good luck with that. Greed, fear, cleverness, survival of the fittest.
Bu bu but ... peace love harmony. Yeah right. Open up a history book.
Man needs, man wants, man takes.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 28, 2011 15:23:47 GMT
Yes, popee, words and pretences are one thing, but reality is a bit different.
Human nature might change, humans might gradually become saner, but until that day comes, we could extend your list to "Man needs, man wants, man takes, man pays, man suffers."
And before utopia comes, long ages must pass. Will we survive till then? I doubt it very much. But what does it matter anyway? God's will will be done.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 28, 2011 16:12:31 GMT
The only thing man learns from history is that he learns nothing from history! I don't remember who said that but its not from me, hehe but its true. Man has a huge trail of karma he needs to deal with but it can be done, how do I know this is possible...I've done it and continue everyday to do it. Everyday I have the choice to get up and look at the world and see only its ugliness, its greed, its negativity, its fear but this is only a reflection of my inner self as our perceptions are based on who we are on the inside and this is only part of the story, the negative half of the duality we live in, there is another side and if one chooses it can see the good in people, the good in them self , the beauty in the world, in nature, in life itself. "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change"- Dr. Wayne Dyer Man has at his disposal all the means necessary to create the more perfect world we know is available and the only thing stopping each one of us from taking up this daily task is our own self, our own beliefs, our own thoughts, our own choice to choose how we want to live and who we want to be. It was the composer Yanni who said; "Anything good that has ever happened in the world started as a single thought in someones mind, and if that person can choose to think good thoughts then any of us can because we all have the ability to think...the choice of what to think about is ours."
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Post by popee on Nov 30, 2011 18:07:53 GMT
If you have an hour an eleven minutes to spare I suggest you watch this and yes, it's about economics, energy, and exponential growth must watch in my opinion its better to be informed, than blindsided especially if things unfold as I expect they might www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8WBiTnBwSWc#!
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Post by withinsilence on Dec 8, 2011 13:16:48 GMT
What man created all the property that is the earth that he could sell it to other men? NONE, thus the first men to declare "ownership" were the original takers and robbers. They took what was never "theirs."
If I take something I didn't create and declare ownership of it and I sell it, this is called stealing is it not?
If property ownership is robbery, then a legal system to support and protect property rights is a system that perpetuates a crime. If property, nature i.e. (land, water, air, trees, animals, plants) is sacred (from God, holy, a gift) and give freely to all men for everyone's use, then the legal system just validates the original theft and is in itself a criminal. Hence, all forms of government that protect property ownership rights, and declare ownership of property are all in fact guilty of thievery.
This should not be too surprising when the laws are made by the thieves themselves to legitimize their ill-gotten gains.
Quote: "When I control the issue of a nations currency, I care not who makes its laws!" Amschel Rothschild
Man has been a slave to the powerful elite for thousands of years. There is no power of another without the submission of ones will, ones mind and ones body to another. Man's fear has allowed himself to be controlled by a few, and the very men that protect the few are in fact themselves the most full of fear!
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Post by popee on Dec 8, 2011 13:38:11 GMT
Well said.
But, just to be safe ... I'm taking "ownership" of some gold coins and pork n beans. Hehehe
Grab a lawn chair and some popcorn, 2012's gonna be one wild ass year.
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Post by withinsilence on Dec 8, 2011 13:56:03 GMT
I think that this whole mess is to instill more fear into the masses so they continue to submit more and more of their freedoms that the elite so generously hand out to us. How is freedom theirs to give away? Who gave it all to them to give out? Then somehow they will find a way to fix it and will look like hero's to the people but the cure will be that the people (workers) will have to give just a little more of their money to help us all out. Same shit different power institution and it won't be without a revolution that any lasting change will happen. Weather its a violent one or a revolution in consciousness (awareness) I don't know. I know that latter is starting and increasing greatly, but don't know if it will happen in time. IMVHO
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Post by withinsilence on Dec 8, 2011 14:13:43 GMT
All money is literally valueless and has been since inception. It is a means of exchange for goods and services, a means to an end, but was not intended to be the "end goal" Think about it, why would one want to have an accumulation of something that literally is worthless? Its the power that money brings that is its enticer and the only reason there is power in it is because we "believe" there is! What is a rich man without his money...only a man, what is royalty without its money...only a man! In truth everyone is equal and is dependent on mother nature for every ones survival. The only evil in the whole of humanity it its ability to think and produce thoughts, beliefs, ideas, opinions, assumptions, theories, concepts and the like, but it is also the cure for the evil as the volition is within each and every man to make the choice between that which supports all life or that which does not!
We either come up with a non-debt based (only those with money can ever benefit, i.e. banks) means of exchange or we use violence, the choice is ours.
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Post by popee on Dec 8, 2011 14:13:59 GMT
yeah, Eckhart Tolle sometimes talks about his feeling that awareness is growing, which makes you wonder a little bit. How many people like you and I are out there? When you interact with people in the world, what is your sense of things? I meet a lot of people, and my sense is that ... most people are kinda crazy. Of course, you can't really be sure (judging a book by its cover kinda thing), but still ... people seem "odder" than they used to be.
If the shit hits the fan, do you think you would "revert back"? FEAR is powerful. I notice it in myself frequently, which kinda sucks when you think about it, but I think the "noticing" is helpful in some way.
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