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Post by withinsilence on Aug 16, 2012 11:07:20 GMT
No problem Gurth. I like you, like many, also reached out of despair/suffering. It is my opinion, but it seems that this way, the path of despair/suffering brings one through the full gamut of life's experiences which shapes one into their own master in the sense of letting go of them self thus allowing life to unfold as it wills, hence surrender takes the mastery of faith, trust and patience. As Jesus said; "Congratulations to those who suffer greatly, for they will find the kingdom of heaven." One who feels they are in hell right now may want to investigate as to the cause of this feeling, hence the path of inquiry or "finding" as Jesus suggests in the above teaching. Also "Seek ye first the kingdom" OR "Know thyself" all pointing for one to "ask, seek knock and it shall be known" Like the Tao Te Ching say's: The master has conquered nature, not in the sense of controlling it, but of becoming it. Thus, as nature is submissive to the will of life, so is one who has mastered "knows" them self. Know you don't know so to speak, hence surrender. I participate in a little "men's" group where we contemplate the unknowns of life, we were discussing how "seemingly" hard life is, you know work, bills, kids, (acceptance seeking, approval seeking, acquisition) etc. all this stuff that is within ones thoughts all the time. So I suggested to help eliminate the constant barrage of thoughts, one could sit in silence and do nothing for a few hours and watch them all dissolve thus seeing their arbitrary nature and free yourself from these fetters. They all said they could never sit and do nothing, that would be too difficult and boring!...hahaha that which sounds easy few do
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Post by popee on Aug 16, 2012 15:50:05 GMT
They all said they could never sit and do nothing, that would be too difficult and boring!...hahaha Yep, a vivid imagination is much more "fun" than boring 'ol silence. hehe So many things one's mind could conjure up ... like what life would be like after winning the Powerball, or if the hot chick across the street wanted to hook up. lol Or, if you're more 'spiritually inclined', then perhaps imagination will try to describe/understand words like surrender, God, or Truth. And boring 'ol silence just sits there, like some guru in the background, never saying a word, yet watching everything you do with those piercing eyes, but without attachment or judgment. Perhaps with amusement though.
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 16, 2012 16:49:52 GMT
They all said they could never sit and do nothing, that would be too difficult and boring!...hahaha Yep, a vivid imagination is much more "fun" than boring 'ol silence. hehe So many things one's mind could conjure up ... like what life would be like after winning the Powerball, or if the hot chick across the street wanted to hook up. lol Or, if you're more 'spiritually inclined', then perhaps imagination will try to describe/understand words like surrender, God, or Truth. And boring 'ol silence just sits there, like some guru in the background, never saying a word, yet watching everything you do with those piercing eyes, but without attachment or judgment. Perhaps with amusement though. I think imagination is fun, look at children, do they not have fun playing this role and that character all in the spirit of play? It's when we forget that it's a play, a game so to speak that we become disillusioned and take ourselves too seriously. I think not that ones imagination should be repressed or that creativity should be denied expression, in fact I think that the arts is what just may help pull the world together some day. Imagine a world where everyone was free to express them self in whatever form that is innate, within them, weather it be music, dance, painting, sculpting, writing, poetry, story telling, fabrication, singing, wood working etc. A world where you were free to do what brought you nothing but joy and bliss, self expression, able to share you heart, your innermost being with the world in whatever form you chose instead of having to work as a this or a that just to make money to survive. We've moved from living life to merely surviving it. Life is risk, adventure, raw, unknown, a mystery to be lived, a celebration of expression, all those things that children have innately before they are told to sit down, shut up and behave, much like a dead, uncivilized, blindly obedient, non-questioning, ignorant, blindly believing, nonthinking conformist, bored societal sheep, endlessly repeating parrot whose only words are; :Welcome to, thank you, please drive through, that will be, have a nice day" Is this the best world we can create? robots, dead robots we've become and for what, for what? for money? money is not the root of all evil, who thought to allow it to control them? who thought up the present control institutions we have directing this current scene anyway? who keeps voting for the same directors? We need a lovevolution, not a revolution or "re"-"formation" but a evolution of love, a lovevolution or maybe a awarevolution, or awakevolution! lol lol you mean the present world isn't the only way it may be? If you believe you can't make a difference in your world, you are correct and as long as you believe this you will remain exactly as you are.
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Post by popee on Aug 16, 2012 18:15:03 GMT
I think it all comes down to just one thing ...
are you dis-satisfied with how things are, at this exact moment; or not
if you are, imagination briefly (albeit falsely) takes you somewhere else
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we could debate the meaning of the word "imagination" but that's not the point
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 16, 2012 21:12:28 GMT
I get it, dis-satisfaction is created within you in the form of thoughts which are attached to an identity or I which in the grand scheme of life is no-thing, illusion, a concept of mind etc. but we're in the illusion, living in the dream, whatever you want to call it, perceive it, who cares?
OK now that we understand where our suffering, dis satisfaction, demise, hurts, etc originates, now that we can sit around in no mind, with no subconscious or unconscious thoughts or conditioned thoughts controlling our words and actions, now that we're past it, without ego sitting here doing not doing, can we not use our innate abilities to imagine/create, invent,think a different life for our self which if it catches on even half as fast as beanie babies, sports statistics or the latest food chain or clothes fashion, would change life as we know it in short order?
I'm not did-satisfied with my personal life at all, yet I think I can cast some seeds of change out into those I come into contact with and see who is ready to get off the meditation cushion, the Church pew, the potato shaping couch exerciser, the......yea your right screw it, who am I kidding, hard to believe a perfect creator created such.....never mind its all perfect, I must be caught up in ego, I mean "who is this I that wants to help what is already perfect, whata fool I am, wait there is no I , if there is no I then there can be no fool, and no nothing of nothing of nothings nothingness, ....and and and....I need a drink to shut down all these thoughts, shit there I go again or no I!
lets nothing's not sit and do nothing so nothing happens to no one because in nothing ville there really is no one to do nothing, hence what is the point of life? My guess is nothing! hehehe lol haha, oh wait whose laughing, is this allowed or do they charge for this, or is it taxed yet, oh well there in no one who would do this because there will be no one who thinks anymore once they all know that thoughts are all illusory and in reality there really is nobody, no mind, no nothing!
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Post by popee on Aug 16, 2012 21:50:43 GMT
Lordy, my friend, it wasn't meant as a personal attack.
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 16, 2012 22:47:42 GMT
nothing personal at all amigo, as there is no thing here who could be attacked. hehe
all is going perfectly according to the urge I AM presently in.
no worries, as that would be to produce a thought of the future or past and we know there is no time, so let the words that in truth say nothing thus they cannot lie, speak nothing for themself. haha
everything that is written here is speaking volumes even though in truth everything written on this site is not spoken.
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 17, 2012 0:22:42 GMT
Leo was in a roaring mood today, yet his heart remains unchanged, as large as ever which is usually the cause of his rants, as the Lion wants to control what he knows he cannot.
The King of the jungle will not rest until it has captured it's prey, only without division, without fear and without judgment may he lie with the lamb, only in complete surrender may two become one!
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Post by gurthbruins on Aug 17, 2012 7:29:34 GMT
- I wonder if I am correct in seeing a certain amount of confusion here (and much more elsewhere) about the notion of "what is". People seem to think statically: to say "everything is perfect right now" is taken to mean that the conditions of this moment are perfect, and should continue unchanged.
But that is a huge mistake! Nothing is static or ever could be static! Everything, but everything (except possibly time and law) is always changing! Nothing IS in the sense of continuing in its present state!
So what "everything is perfect right now" really means is "everything is at this moment changing in the best possible way".
Get it? Then all these misunderstandings fall away.
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 17, 2012 10:34:15 GMT
"perfect" means to bring to.........full development, thus everything is changing continuously.
Everything I write here is to help bring about change, to share new views, ideas. I'll admit some may seem radical but that is their whole purpose, to bring about a disturbance within so as to begin to question what I'm saying, which, inquiry is exactly what I am pointing to. The judgments in the "seeming" rants are nothing but harsh truth, this is exactly where some are at and while it is perfect in the sense that "it is" as "it is" now, it has the possibility or potential to be what it may be. I am not so ignorant as to believe that I am the cause for change as this is foolishness, yet I may be used as a catalyst for it, are we all not participating in the grand illusion together?
Sometimes we may get caught up in a certain train of thought, or fixated on non-fixation, become stagnant and need a little smelling salt to help wake up and get off the couch, get off the meditation cushion, stop trying to do nothing and jump back in the river of life so to speak. If you don't want to great, if you do great, I am only casting smelling salt, if no one wakes up then it must be as its meant to be, yet so am I.
At the moment its the best possible way I have to encourage the continuation of growth, of change and I may be mistaken but then eventually I'll learn from it and change and grow from it as that is what we're all doing all the time.
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Post by popee on Aug 17, 2012 13:40:48 GMT
No. Of course forms are ever changing. But that is not the focus of my attention. Does Truth ever move? Ever change?
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 17, 2012 14:41:14 GMT
Define truth? kidding hehe
truth is. reality. non perception, non assumption, non conception
example: I went to school and was asked what 2+2 was, the truth at that moment was, ignorance as I don't know. Then upon teaching, study, inquiry, realization and understanding, the answer came, I did know through understanding thus moving out of ignorance. in both cases truth was, yet it changed from not knowing to knowing, hence knowing you don't know is truth, knowing you know is truth, believing you know is ignorance!
so in this simple example you also see change, growth, moving from ignorance to understanding through dropping belief, accepting you know not, asking, listening, contemplation, then truth dawns upon understanding, after one has opened them self up to it, dropped resistance which is just holding on to identity or beliefs.
now we could discuss if everything is already known within us and we're going through life to have experiences to bring about remembering or dropping forgetfulness, this I don't know but it is a possibility. It does seem that the more I let go the more I remember or the more truth just happens within. I cannot explain it any better than that, it is simply known innately.
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Post by popee on Aug 17, 2012 15:06:59 GMT
2+2 = 4 ... huh? Is that the truth? Are you certain?
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But aren't you presuming the base 10 mathematical system? People make a lot of presumptions when they talk about truth. hehe
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Post by gurthbruins on Aug 17, 2012 15:36:12 GMT
I would say that the concept "truth" has no meaning, since all things are equally true, including the Truth Fairy
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 17, 2012 16:16:11 GMT
semantics=reason=mind=prison=death
foolishness=noreason=nomind=freedom=life
you do the math!
A fool am I.
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