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Post by freethinker on Nov 23, 2011 19:24:07 GMT
Sorry I can't contribute to this. The God I know isn't 'the creator'.
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Post by freethinker on Nov 24, 2011 3:52:35 GMT
God is not 'defined in my perception' close enough to your subject matter to have a place in your thread.
I only responded above to indicate that I am not ignoring you. Maybe I shouldn't have posted at all. Sorry.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 24, 2011 13:36:58 GMT
Sorry freethinker, I don't want to offend you, which it seems I already have, so I took it down.
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Post by freethinker on Nov 24, 2011 15:28:15 GMT
Sorry freethinker, I don't want to offend you, which it seems I already have, so I took it down. No offense taken. I shouldn't have stuck my nose in there.
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 24, 2011 16:22:49 GMT
I wasn't vastly tempted to contribute myself. It does seem the post has produced an edifying display of good manners, however.
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Post by withinsilence on Nov 27, 2011 16:04:36 GMT
New question: Is there a cause and effect relationship of our thinking to our feelings and how can this be proved or verified? In other words, does what we choose to think about create our feelings or do our feelings create what we think about? If our thinking creates our feelings then is man not only the cause of all his suffering but also the cure? Does the cure lie outside of the cause? If our feelings cause our thinking then what is generating our feelings, from where do they originate?
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Post by gurthbruins on Nov 27, 2011 18:59:54 GMT
I think thoughts can create feelings, and feelings can create thoughts. One or other is usually dominant, depending on the nature of the person doing the thought/feeling.
In some the heart rules the head, in others the head rules the heart. Can head and heart be united? There again, some can, but it seems rare. I saw a man once who seemed to.
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Post by withinsilence on May 10, 2012 2:10:12 GMT
The unknowable According to Schopenhauer,[45] mystics arrive at a condition in which there is no knowing subject and known object:
... we see all religions at their highest point end in mysticism and mysteries, that is to say, in darkness and veiled obscurity. These really indicate merely a blank spot for knowledge, the point where all knowledge necessarily ceases. Hence for thought this can be expressed only by negations, but for sense-perception it is indicated by symbolical signs, in temples by dim light and silence, in Brahmanism even by the required suspension of all thought and perception for the purpose of entering into the deepest communion with ones own self, by mentally uttering the mysterious Om. In the widest sense, mysticism is every guidance to the immediate awareness of what is not reached by either perception or conception, or generally by any knowledge. The mystic is opposed to the philosopher by the fact that he begins from within, whereas the philosopher begins from without. The mystic starts from his inner, positive, individual experience, in which he finds himself as the eternal and only being, and so on. But nothing of this is communicable except the assertions that we have to accept on his word; consequently he is unable to convince.
— Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation, Vol. II, Ch. XLVIII
"In the widest sense, mysticism is every guidance to the immediate awareness of what is not reached by either perception or conception, or generally by any knowledge."
This sentence speaks volumes and is not an idea or concept. This "immediate awareness" is for real, it is reality.
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Post by gurthbruins on May 10, 2012 6:36:00 GMT
Bypassing the last post, with which I have no quarrel, reverting to the previous posts on Cause and Effect, I am thinking anew on that subject: These days the word top in my mind is THE LAW.
It seems to me that the universe is changing always, every moment, and in every part: nothing ever stands still, not even time, except for the one eternally and everywhere never-changing thing: THE LAW OF THE UNIVERSE. The subject of the meditation in psalm 1.
And it seems to me that everything, even God (if he IS anything but this LAW) must always obey this law, that all time and all events are determined and caused by this LAW and by nothing else.
In other words, all things have the same, identical cause.
In this light, naturally 'freedom' and 'free-will' become totally meaningless concepts.
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Post by withinsilence on May 10, 2012 19:16:21 GMT
too wordy, retracted by the thought police as popee would say!
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Post by gurthbruins on May 11, 2012 7:12:14 GMT
He He. Let each of us continue to enjoy his own dream...
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Post by withinsilence on May 11, 2012 12:14:27 GMT
retracted
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Post by popee on May 11, 2012 14:37:03 GMT
aren't "Laws" just another lame attempt at knowing the unknowable?
it seems people recognize the ground beneath their feet is unsteady (metaphorically) and are constantly seeking more stable footing (to no avail)
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 4, 2012 22:00:14 GMT
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Post by withinsilence on Aug 22, 2012 18:51:21 GMT
aren't "Laws" just another lame attempt at knowing the unknowable? it seems people recognize the ground beneath their feet is unsteady (metaphorically) and are constantly seeking more stable footing (to no avail) "Any fool can make a law and any fool can mind it" George Bernard Shaw Is there not a better way of rehabilitating the lost, those sitting in jail?
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